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Andy Judson's avatar

I think your comment about the difference between more moderate views here versus the American ultra conservatives is actually really important.

I'm not sure yet how you would prove it, but I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons the debate has become so poisoned is because trans rights activists see the actions and arguments of the American Right (which are pretty appalling) and then equate that with the views of more sceptical people in the UK and elsewhere.

So rather than engage with their specific points, they just lump everyone in the same pot and assume people like Helen Lewis believe the same thing as those much more extreme people, and are therefore not deserving of a platform.

TL,DR: American politics is poisoning everything, and it sucks.

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Ralph Ferrett's avatar

I think your stuff about the zoomed out view is on the money.

Because the entire thing is framed by some as a fundamental question of values, even an "existential" question in some spheres means that drilling down and finding anything approaching compromise, or even common understanding, is very difficult (read probably impossible in the current climate).

Really what this ought to be is a pretty dry exercise in delineated the boundaries of a difficult "competing rights" scenario. In which I think most people, not at the cliff face, would agree that there are competing rights, and think that there should be an ability to mediate between them.

My experience of dipping any sort of toe in the water on the debate though is that for some of the most fierce proponents of these war even the suggestion that this is an issue of competing rights, and not one of absolute truth, gets you, well..... marmalised on line.

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